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Ukraine; Virus Is Mixture Of H1N1 And Parainfluenza, Causes Cardiopulmonary Failure; Indicates BioWeapon

News Type: Event — Seeded on Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:37 PM EST
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Professor Victor Bachinsky, PhD., is a coroner in the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine. He provides evidence which indicates that parainfluenza mixed with the H1N1 virus, not pneumonic plague, has caused so much illness in Ukraine. Yet more strains of influenza which have combined, a strong indication that we are dealing with a laboratory developed bio-weapon.

During autopsies, what did the lungs look like? Were they really black, which gave rise to so much talk of pulmonary plague?

No, they are not black … This is not pneumonic plague. It's all nonsense. Pneumonic plague has a very different morphology. We have, for example, 60 thousand people who became sick and 23 have died. With pulmonary plague, we would now have a mortality rate of 59 thousand …

This is a viral attack that destroys the lungs.

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Teodoro Leon 3

And how about “Tamiflu” – does it help?

"This is not an antibiotic, it is an antiviral drug, which should be applied on the second or third day of the disease. But you can not use Tamiflu as a preventitive, because it is toxic."

The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe. The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1816%3Athe-european-biowar-outbreak-by-dr-rebecca-carley&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

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Reply#2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:58 PM EST
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ohiogal-479871

of course tamiflu is toxic, all drugs are toxic.

People have more adverse side effects from taking aspirin than they do from tamiflu (incidence is about 1% for tamiflu), and people pop those in like candy.

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#2.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:58 PM EST
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gladbutterfly

Unfortunately, this is all-too-likely a scenario. I can't imagine how we could ever be sure one way or the other.

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Reply#3 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:20 PM EST
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worldknightboy

This is potentially explosive! Any word from the CDC? AMA? Anyone out west?

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Reply#4 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:54 PM EST
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Dragon1986

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk

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#4.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:00 PM EST
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worldknightboy

Wow! This really needs to be looked into, and exposed! Thanks!

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#4.2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:49 PM EST
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WMLizard

Oh for Pete's sake...there are kernels of fact here, but unfortunately way too much non-fact. Tamiflu, correct, not an antibiotic. Tamiflu can be taken as a preventative (also known as prophylaxis). Is it toxic to someone, somewhere, at some dosage? Sure, so is Tylenol. So don't take it unless you have to (well, in the US not much of an issue since it's only available by prescription and rarely for prophylaxis).

Antibiotics do not weaken your immune system. They kill bacteria, typically by interrupting a process that is specific to that bacterial species. This means two things - one, an antibiotic will only help if they are taken while there is a bacterial infection that is susceptible to that specific antibiotic, and two, this is part of the reason it's hard to develop new ones - we have to find a process to interrupt in bacteria that does not exist in people (so we don't kill our own cells while treating infection).

It's not pneumonic plague? What a news flash! Whoever said it was?

And just to put things in perspective - many people die of what are termed "flu-related illnesses" each year. Did influenza virus kill them? Usually, no. They die of secondary infections that the influenza infection has made them more vulnerable to (typically bacterial pneumonias). Meaning if they do autopsies on those folks, they might find both a virus and a bacteria in the cultures. Does this mean some super-chimera bacterial virus has been created in a lab somewhere? No, it means there were multiple infections at once.

Same with finding both parainfluenza and influenza viruses in lung tissue. It's only important if you can actually prove they were part of the same virus - and nothing in this article indicates that happened. Finding RNA (the equivalent of DNA for influenza and paraninfluenza) of both in samples of lung tissue does not prove a hybrid exists. You would actually have to find an intact virus that is capable of reproducing, purify it, and then sequence its genome to prove that there was any hybridization.

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Reply#5 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:26 PM EST
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SchmittyJ

WMLizard,

Great response, but...

You realize you're arguing with talking points from InfoWars, right? Written by an unnamed "staff writer" from Ireland, translated from Russian?

lol... there's no point.

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#5.1 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:13 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

Whoever said it was?

http://www.infowars.com/martial-law-forced-vaccinations-may-be-unfolding-in-ukraine/

Earlier today, an outbreak of pneumonic plague was reported in China. “Chinese authorities have put a whole town in quarantine after an outbreak of horrifying pneumonic plague,” notes Health Freedom Alliance. “Two people have died from the highly contagious disease, an even more powerful brother of The Black Death – the bubonic plague believed to have wiped out a quarter of the population of Europe in the 14th Century…. Pneumonic plague is one of the most virulent and deadly diseases on earth, usually fatal within 24 hours.”

In August, 2008, the Israeli microbiologist Joseph Mosse, who is allegedly connected to the Mossad, said Baxter International had manufactured a bioweapon in the Ukraine. Mosse was arrested for supposedly making threats against the White House. “Shortly after his arrest there were reports that he had called into a radio show with a warning about a biological weapon being prepared in the Ukraine by a company called Baxter International. According to these reports, Mr Mosse said that the weapon would be spread via a flu vaccine,” Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported on November 3. “Credence is being given to these reports because Mr Mosse’s qualifications as a microbiologist are confirmed by his research profile” on the BiomedExperts website.

Police prepare drill for plague at school

http://www.infowars.com/police-prepare-drill-for-plague-at-school/

"Citizens infected with a fictitious pneumonic plague will line up outside Lincoln Prairie Elementary School on Saturday to help test the site as a medication dispensary in case of an emergency."

Then who is promoting the scenarios here?

Ukraine's Pneumonic Plague: A New Strain of Flu Many Times More Lethal Than H1N1

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/110409_ukraine_plague_flu_strain_more_lethal_H1N1.shtml

Ukraine: Influenza or Pneumonic Plague? The situation is getting ...

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2009/11/02/11155.shtml

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine".

BAXTER ADMITS CONTAMINATING 72 KILO VACCINE WITH BIRD FLU ON MAIN STREAM TELEVISION

http://theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1732%3Abaxter-admits-contaminating-72-kilos-on-main-stream-television-&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

The requirement for Baxter to adhere to biosafety level 3 regulations makes an accidental contamination of 72 kilos virtually impossible.

Specifically, evidence is presented that the vaccine company Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary deliberately released live bird flu virus in February, 2009, nearly triggering a pandemic.

According to § 175 (a) of BWATA, there is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section committed by or against a national of the United States

1The amount of material was 72 kilograms.

2This material was sent to 16 labs in four countries under a false label.

3The 72 kilos of live bird flu virus was destined for the seasonal flu vaccine.

4The deadly mixture of live bird flu virus and human flu virus were mixed in a Biosecurity level 3 facility, where basic protocol and procedures would make it impossible to ever mix a live virus bioweapon with vaccine material by accident.

5 The mixture was a super-wide spectrum combination H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and live,unlabeled H5N1 viruses. If both strains were to incubate and recombine in a human host, a virus could mutate via "reassortment" into a virulent airborne weapon that would cause a pandemic.

6 The material was not radiated before it was sent out, leaving the deadly virus alive.

7 It was only detected when a lab member in a lab in the Czech Republic tested a portion on ferrets and these died.

8 Lab staff in Austria and the Czech Republic were subsequently given preventative treatment against the bird flu in hospitals in Vienna, Austria.

9 There is evidence the Austrian Health Minister is involved in a cover up because he sent a vet to examine the incident and Baxter was given a green light to continue as before.

10 WHO(World Health Organization) supplied the live bird flu virus which Baxter used in its 72 kilos of contaminated material.

11 WHO has supplied the funding, licences and regulatory framework for the development of the bird flu virus in labs and the “anti-dote” vaccine.

12 WHO has deliberately and systematically suppressed and manipulated scientific facts on the virus and vaccines to serve the interests of the international crime syndicate group.

13 WHO issues talking points and statements that are propagandist in style and designed to sway public opinion in favour of the vaccine.

14 WHO has rushed to declare a pandemic level 6 in disregard for the science in order to justify commandeering, together with the UN, national US government agencies and authorities, setting up a control center in the WHO Pandemic Control Room which has supercomputers linked to the UN.

15 WHO redefined “Pandemic” as “Widespread, spreading from human to human but not particularly dangerous” changing it from its previous definition of “widespread, rapidly spreading and very dangerous.

Legislation is in place which would require Americans to either submit to vaccination once a pandemic is declared(which Obama just did) by either the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Governor of your State or both.

Refuse this vaccine and you will find yourself confined either as a felon without benefit of judge or jury if the offence is a State level one, or involuntarily incarcerated in Federal FEMA holding camps if the offence is a Federal one.

I just love you people who don't read the articles before commenting...

Based on autopsies, we have come to the conclusion: it’s not pneumonia, but cardiopulmonary insufficiency and cardiogenic shock … The virus enters directly into the lungs, there is bleeding … Antibiotics should not be used …

Why do we have such a high mortality rate in the country? Because people are going to pharmacies to get medicine instead of going to their doctors to be treated … No it is not pneumonic plague. It’s all nonsense … antibiotics do not help … Those with strong immune systems will survive. People with weak immune systems will succumb to the illness …

The Head of the Chernivtsi regional forensic bureau, Professor Victor Bachinsky PhD, makes a strong statement: all the victims of the virus in Bukovina (22 persons aged 20 to 40 years) died not from bilateral (double) pneumonia, as previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e. the total destruction of the lungs. We caught up with Professor Bachinsky, to find out how he came to this conclusion, and how people can protect themselves from this disease.

See ,I 'd rather give more credence to the head of Forensics ,who explains in the article his statements and conclusions than some monikered,unlicensed,uncredited,unverified statements that are misleading and vague.But thanks for stopping on by...next time please provide links and sources for your comments.

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#5.2 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:35 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

Unnamed staff writer? Another one who doesn't know how to read or comprehend...

Original article in Russian by Anna Yashchenko here: www.unian.net/rus/news/news-346721.html

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#5.3 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:51 PM EST
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worldknightboy

Good work, Teodore! This sounds huge!

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#5.4 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:51 PM EST
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SchmittyJ

Unnamed staff writer? Another one who doesn't know how to read or comprehend...

I was talking about your original article... if you want to discuss another article, that sounds like another seed...

From your seeded article:

Infowars Ireland Staff Writer

Can't comprehend... huh?

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#5.5 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:59 PM EST
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ohiogal-479871

WM is correct.

Are you guys aware at how hard it is to create a hybrid between two species?

Influenza virus is an orthromyxoviridae virus, parainfluenza is a paramyxoviridae virus. the former is a segmented virus the later is a non segment one. Without getting into too much detail, i'll just say these are two different viruses that replicate by different means.

Because the replication and species is different it is near next to impossible for one to incorperate the genome of one and create a functional hybrid. when mutations occur in viruses they do so within their species: ie. h1n1 and h2n3, etc.

Who ever wrote this article has very little scientific knowledge of viruses. It seems that they saw influenza in parainfluenza and thought it could be the same thing. Too bad they don't know that there are quite a few misnomers in science, parainfuenza is one of them. PIV's sister is RSV, NOT the flu.

To repeat: tamiflu is NOT an antibiotic. It will do nothing to bacteria. Antibiotics do not weaken the immune system. They can however, kill off your normal flora and make you more susceptible to OTHER antibiotic resistant bacteria (i.e. C. diff). But never do they suppress the immune system.

The flu typically affects immunosuppressed individuals, such as the elderly and children. healthy adults typically have enough exposure to viruses and have their immune systems already primed for any mutations. Exposure to influenza with a mutation or two, is still recognizable by many people's immune system. And many people remain asymptomatic after infection.

The problem with H1N1 is that instead of undergoing one or two mutations, it underwent an antigenic shift. It incorporated too many mutations that normal healthy adults are now susceptible. Fighting does not anything to do with a strong or weak immune system. There is only immunocompenent and immunocomprimised. Thats it.

The ability to fight of the virus has to do with the probability of your primed antigens to recognize the new microbe.

5.2 is filled with so much bad science, it would take me the entire page to address all the mistakes.

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#5.6 - Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:40 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

5.2 is filled with so much bad science, it would take me the entire page to address all the mistakes

Well why don't you at least start with one...did you mean that Baxter's explanation is bad science? Or the drills for the Plague? Or the fact that H3N2 & H5N1 can and were Bioweaponized?Come on...you give yourself away out by not addressing the FACTS.Point it out.

Your comments are vague and misleading..though based on facts and half truths manipulated to meet your AGENDA of Misinformation.

You sound like ol Bush here...

Are you guys aware at how hard it is to create a hybrid between two species?

It's there job to do this.Though it maybe HARD...They are well trained and have the facilities.They have an agenda.You seem to be promoting it here...through vague,distorted,poetic conjecture.

Can't comprehend... huh?

Obviously you can't...if you don't know how to read the whole article with the link included at the bottom of said article.

here are the last paragraphs...maybe you can find it...with the authors name...

And why until now has nobody else known about this disease? What were the leading specialists in the Ministry of Health doing all this time?

Perhaps this is due to the fact that there are scientists who are working on a purely theoretical basis. And there are scientists who have seen the autopsy results. I practice as head of the regional forensic bureau and as a professor. The fact that we have established this diagnosis – it is not just to my credit, and this is not my personal opinion. This is the opinion of specialists, morphologists and doctors in Bukovina. There are five professors in our group – I just head the group.

Original article in Russian by Anna Yashchenko here: www.unian.net/rus/news/news-346721.html

I shall write Anna Yashchenko.Why don't you support your comments with links to sources? What are your creditations,licences,profession?USAISC?

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#5.7 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:41 AM EST
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SchmittyJ

Obviously you can't...if you don't know how to read the whole article with the link included at the bottom of said article.

I said that the article was unattributed on InfoWars... not the original article... please, try and keep up.

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#5.8 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:44 AM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

And what kind of conjecture is this?

To repeat: tamiflu is NOT an antibiotic. It will do nothing to bacteria.

You obviously did not read the article or if you did ,did not comprehend the Professors statement that Tamiflu is an Antiviral...were did you come up with the basis of your comment?It's called discreditation through misinformation...putting words down that don't exist for distraction.

Here's the MD's statement...whoever wrote the article only relates the statements and answers from the MD.How could they be misinformed?Now attempt to discredit the MD's relations and those involved with him...specialists, morphologists and doctors in Bukovina. There are five professors in the group.

And how about “Tamiflu” – does it help?

This is not an antibiotic, it is an antiviral drug, which should be applied on the second or third day of the disease. But you can not use Tamiflu as a preventitive, because it is toxic.

Now where did you come up with someone stating in the article that Tamiflu is an antibiotic? You reveal yourselves and your impotence.You try to "sound" smart with lengthy writing but it comes up empty.You might be intelligent but you have no wisdom or power.Or authority.

Your credentials?

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#5.9 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:55 AM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

Again you don't no how to read?

I said that the article was unattributed on InfoWars...

I just gave you the F%%$#ing paragraph...it's right there at the botom of the page after the last paragraph...it's on the INFO WARS IRELAND article!

here are the last paragraphs again FROM THE ARTICLE ON INFOWARS IRELAND...maybe you can find it...with the authors name...and the link ...http://info-wars.org/2009/11/14/parainfluenza-and-ah1n1-mixture-in-ukraine-total-destruction-of-the-lungs/

And why until now has nobody else known about this disease? What were the leading specialists in the Ministry of Health doing all this time?

Perhaps this is due to the fact that there are scientists who are working on a purely theoretical basis. And there are scientists who have seen the autopsy results. I practice as head of the regional forensic bureau and as a professor. The fact that we have established this diagnosis – it is not just to my credit, and this is not my personal opinion. This is the opinion of specialists, morphologists and doctors in Bukovina. There are five professors in our group – I just head the group.

Original article in Russian by Anna Yashchenko here: www.unian.net/rus/news/news-346721.html

You obviously don't comprehend or your arrogance and pride disallows you from admitting your MISTAKE due to eagerness to discredit...impotent and elemantary.

You do a disservice to your ego...your true self.Not the False ego.

Yeah ,she was not credited at the top but at the BOTTOM...Anna Yashchenko.

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#5.10 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:04 AM EST
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SchmittyJ

You obviously don't comprehend or your arrogance and pride disallows you from admitting your MISTAKE due to eagerness to discredit...impotent and elemantary (sic).

I was attesting to the fact that InfoWars didn't attribute it to a named staff writer of theirs... which it doesn't... Not that it didn't credit the original author. But keep railing. It's pretty symptomatic of InfoWars to not name their people, so they can hide behind their anonymity. lol...

And do you even understand what the term "impotent" means?

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#5.11 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:11 AM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

And do you even understand what the term "impotent" means?

You obviously do now.Now you clarified your statement!

I was attesting to the fact that InfoWars didn't attribute it to a named staff writer of theirs...It's pretty symptomatic of InfoWars to not name their people, so they can hide behind their anonymity.

You mean like AP,UPI and many other mainstream Media's? It wasn't written by the Staff member.It was written by Anna Yashchenko. It was attributed to AY.

It wasn't for anonymity...it was to give credit were credit was due. The seed was by a Staff Member of INFOWARS Ireland...so as not to distract from the source..and since AY did not write it on INFOWARS it was improper to imply that she did by attaching her name to the top of page.Maybe she didn't want to be affiliated with INFOWARS.

Your insight is petty. Attacking the source and format rather instead of the info presented.Of what real value does it serve.To prove your bias and prejudice of the source? That's called impotence.Spinning your wheels.

I "rail" due to the fact that your insights are meant to ridicule the Info in the article through the source.I prompted "you" to reveal your motive...and you did.

Why would you need to know the seeder of the article?Just because it's required by Newsvine.Who's hiding behind anonymity? See my "moniker"? That's my real name.Teodoro Leon III.

See your moniker? SchmittyJ.Anonymous.For you are the one hiding behind a "name". For a reason.But you will be known as you are known...you just think you are hiding...from yourself.Why don't you publish your real name? Who's scared?

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#5.12 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:33 AM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

And just looked at your BIO...

I'm a Communications Senior at the University of Maryland - College Park, and served in the U.S. Army as a Public Affairs Specialist / Photojournalist

Are you supplementing your income through work with USAISC...Cyber Soldier.Propaganda?Seems you have the experience...Army/PR = Propaganda tool

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#5.13 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:40 AM EST
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SchmittyJ

InfoWars is nothing more than a mouth-piece for Alex Jones... a professional victim.

From their own website:

Conspiracy-tinted site containing...

They admit that the site is "tinted" themselves... simply another word for "bias." I didn't bother to "attack" the information because it is so clearly disjointed and full of crap that it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

And a "moniker," by definition cannot be anonymous... Without bothering to cite its etymology, anonymous means "without name," whereas a moniker is a pseudonym or alias... simply another name for a person. The two are mutually exclusive... anyone can say, "SchmittyJ wrote..." and people will know to whom that statement is attributed. That is vastly different than being attributed to the term "Staff Writer" which implies any number of individuals...

I don't publish my full name because it's inconsequential to discourse here. And just because you say that you're publishing your "real" name doesn't mean you are. I'm not disputing that it is, or isn't... but anyone can post anything and make assertions as to its veracity. But that doesn't make it so...

I prompted "you" to reveal your motive...and you did.

I, in no way, was being disingenuous about my "motive." My "motive" was to assert that the information presented in this article fails any examination by anyone who knows anything about biology, and additionally that the source of this information is suspect as well.

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#5.14 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:49 AM EST
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ohiogal-479871

Teo, you can believe what you want. I do find it interesting on how u can be very critical when it comes to substantiated science, but sooooo accepting of dubious sources that you are using to try to debate it.

My comments are vague because it would be impossible to explain the mechanisms of viral replication on a blog. Especially, why you can't combine a mononeg. with a segmented virus. Mutating parainfluenza would make about as much sense as mutating measles.

Also The flu would not make a good bioweapon.

Ever.

Its not deadly enough. No matter how many times you try to experiment with it. And it isn't pridectable. What you think is deadly may turn out not to be and vice verse. Lastly, influenza is not a strict pathogen. (i.e. always cause symptomatic disease once infected) while bioweapons are.

The bio-weapons contain, yersina (as you did point out in one example), variola, bacillus, franciella, brucella, all of your hemorrhagic viruses etc. These are relatively cheap to make and obtain, and very easy to spread.

No one in their right mind will spend a millions of dollars trying to figure out breakthrough technology of mutating the flu, when they can spend a few thousand obtaining a deadlier pathogen.

btw as for my credentials, i learned all of this during my immunology and infection block my second year of medical school and i had to regurgitate this on my step one boards and am currently regurgitating this on my IM rotation.

But heavens, don't let that my info get in the way of you posting conspiracy theories from random sites. Esp. those who couldn't even take the time to fact check the basic science. ( my fav: pneumonia presentations with cardio and hemoptysis are bacterial agents not viral. . . . oops for them.)

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#5.15 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:12 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

Yes,Yes my dear Doktor.You still provide no very simple links for your readers of your sourceless and unsubstantiated credentials...didn't you read the Schmitty comment about "claims" on the internet.Ohiogal couls be an incorporated name for a Doktor but not a very professional one.

But don't let me get in the way of just posting some links as to the diffculty or impossibilities of your "claims"...you must think most people are blind followers of "conjecture" and unsubstantiated claims...for who is the one claiming to be an expert professional...I'm sure you might have a thesis...or published paper of some sort...you know link to your professional opinion?

Or how about this? Make it real simple for you.Some "other" sources and links to support your statements and the claims within them ...that's if you use the claim as schmitty to be inconsequential in name and substance...claiming but no backing.

As to Schmitty's comment...you reveal and justify my comments

anonymous means "without name,"

That's my argument...you are anonymous...you really think SmittyJ or OhioGal are your names?Are you sure you are in College?And especially, Communications?

Doktor?Liability? I don't make this claim on the internet.But of course you're just still in Medical School...

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  • 6 votes
#5.16 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:08 PM EST
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Corie

ohiogal-479871

No one in their right mind will spend a millions of dollars trying to figure out breakthrough technology of mutating the flu

Do you not think they have already spent lots of money genetically manipulating the 1918 flu virus, and combining it with genes from the avian flu virus, etc. Doesn't that mean a lot of money was spent trying to mutate that flu? How much would you estimate those experiments have cost? Were the researchers simply not "in their right mind"? Actually, I did question the sense of manipulating the 1918 virus in an attempt to see how many deadly combinations could be created in a lab.

And money is of little concern if a project is funded by the government (especially if it's funded by the US Gov't), or even by pharmaceutical companies.

For many years, money has been spent on manipulating different viruses - even on projects like the 1998 creation of a quadripartite hybrid virus (from separate, but related species of viruses) mentioned at http://www.pnas.org/content/95/18/10487.full

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  • 5 votes
#5.17 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:06 PM EST
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SchmittyJ

Teodoro...

You've already missed the entire point of the difference between a pseudonym, and being anonymous... I had thought it was a simple explanation, but I guess it wasn't.

Also, equally disappointing is the disability of some people to lack the ability to make the distinction between an organization like InfoWars, which exists to interpret information to like-minded Alex Jones ideologues... and other organizations which serve on a basal level to transmit information to everyone, ideally as objectively as possible.

But there's obviously a whole load of distinctions which are clearly being missed here.

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  • 1 vote
#5.18 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:41 PM EST
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WMLizard

Wow, having a job takes all the fun out of Newsvine. And I think we have all agreed that Tamiflu is not an antibiotic - hooray for common ground!

Okay, now on to other things:

Police prepare drill for plague at school

...

Then who is promoting the scenarios here?

I would not doubt that this excercise occurred. I worked at a state/local health department, we had these drills at least once per year. In our case, we had one that involved radiation (some of our jurisdiction was within the limits of a nuclear power plant). Since the assembly sites were at schools, a few students got to play "contaminated citizens." They were rewarded with M&Ms (stand-ins for potassium iodide). We also did annual drills of our response for a mass casualty event. These usually coincided with the flu season, so that way we could get participation from the community (because they'd get a free flu shot), plus provide a necessary service (vaccination). Is it meaningful that they're using plague as their scenario? Eh. Plague is one of the category A bioweapons that most health departments have been tasked with planning for. Is plague common and something they are really likely to face? No. I found this discussion of its incidence/prevalence in the US. I know, this is not specific to pneumonic plague, but since pneumonic plague can result from any of the other forms left untreated, it's also not totally unrelated.

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/p/plague/prevalence.htm#incidence_intro

So I don't really see the relevance...if they had chosen anthrax as the disease-of-the-day, would that make the infections in Ukraine anthrax? If I can point to articles advertising flu drills, does that make the infections in Ukraine pandemic flu? In fact, just to show that I can source, too:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-154574665.html

Next:

Ukraine: Influenza or Pneumonic Plague? The situation is getting ...

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2009/11/02/11155.shtml

It does appear that there was some early confusion about the cause of illnesses in the Ukraine. It happens. Doctors are going off of symptoms, and symptoms aren't always textbook. Laboratory testing does take some time (sometimes weeks). However, today, from Promed.

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:1605420762938295::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,80131

Part of the commentary in this link:

[This statement from WHO has scotched some of the wilder rumours
regarding the identity of the agent responsible for the current
outbreak of influenza and acute respiratory illness in Ukraine. The
genome sequencing analyses carried out in the UK and the USA indicate
that the Ukrainian outbreak is an extension of the 2009 pandemic of
H1N1 influenza spreading eastwards through Europe and beyond.
This link is also an interesting discussion behind some of the theories of why 
the outbreak was seemingly worse in Ukraine than in other places:
http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:1605420762938295::::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_ARCHIVE_NUMBER,F2400_P1001_USE_ARCHIVE:1001,20091116.3959,Y
BAXTER ADMITS CONTAMINATING 72 KILO VACCINE WITH BIRD FLU ON MAIN STREAM 
TELEVISION
Considering that the linked article contains this line:
The bird flu, a lab engineered virus, has a mortality rate of over 60%.
I'm going with can't-trust-anything-they-say on this one.
but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e. the total destruction of 
the lungs.
The only use I can find of this term is in links back to this document.  There 
is a condition called acute respiratory distress syndrome that has been linked 
to H5N1 flu.  So would it be shocking to find it associated with some cases of 
this flu as well (he examined 22)?  Nope.
http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/174/9/1011
Based on autopsies, we have come to the conclusion: it's not pneumonia, 


butcardiopulmonary insufficiency and cardiogenic shock




Guess what I find listed as common cause of cardiopulmonary insufficiency?  


Pneumonia.


http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptoms/cardiopulmonary_insufficiency/common.htm


No such smoking gun on cardiogenic shock, though it is different from 


cardiopulmonary insufficiency (may, if I understand my link, result from it), 


so beware of any doctor who can't distinguish the two.


http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/dci/Diseases/shock/shock_causes.html


And for someone who was wondering who this doctor was in the article:


http://www.criminaldep.chnu.edu.ua/en/history/victor_bachynsky.html


I don't necessarily mistrust him, but all the translations and perhaps some 


selective editing?  That I could believe.  I also find it interesting that 


the doctor never says this is a mix of influenza and parainfluenza (in this 


article).  


The interviewer just states that this is what he (the doctor) has said 


previously.


Sorry for the crazy fonts/spacing.
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  • 2 votes
#5.19 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:10 PM EST
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ohiogal-479871

Do you not think they have already spent lots of money genetically manipulating the 1918 flu virus, and combining it with genes from the avian flu virus, etc.

Theyve tried, and thats why we know how unpridictable the results are.

However, no one has ever tried to mix parainfluenza with influenza, as in this article. Thats like breeding a dog and a cat. The person who is able to do that, will be a millionaire.

One of the reasons we have to update the flu virus every year, is because able to 'mate' with other strains (i.e. their same species) of flu.

When was the last time you had your MMR? When was the last time someone suggested you go and get one?

Unless you are young, probably never.

Thats because measels, mumps and rubella, who belong to the same family as parainfluenza, don't mutate very well. And thats part of the reason why it cant be blended with H1N1.

So no it does not cost millions of dollars to mix the flu virus. It will cost millions of dollars to blend two different species of viruses, and that is the scientific process i was referring to.

Teo-

piv

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/revb/respiratory/hpivfeat.htm

paramyxo

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ICTVdb/Ictv/fs_param.htm

orthro

http://www.virology.net/Big_Virology/BVRNAortho.html

viral replication

http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mhunt/RNA-HO.htm

bacterial pneumo symptoms

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/bacterial_pneumonia/page3_em.htm

viral pneumo symptoms plus overview of other viral pneumonal agents

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/808013-overview

note below: viral cxr: bilateral infiltrates, typical of a viral x ray caused by host mediated responses. Non productive cough typical of viral lung infections, and atypical bacterial pneumos.

http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MedEd/mech/cases/case23/sld3.jpg

characteristic of bacterial infection. typically a unilobar presentation on xray caused by active bacterial proliferation in the lung tissue. Bacterial infection ranges form non productive cough, as with mycoplasma, to productive cough: green = psudomonas, rust color- mycobacterium

rust sputum, aka hemaptysis = due invasion of host tissue by the pathogen

http://www.healthline.com/channel/pneumonia_images

tamiflu:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/353/13/1363

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you have to forgive me if i forgot to link to any other overly BASIC knoweldge you could have just wiki'ed. It seems you have no problem looking up random artcles from the ukraine, but somehow your key board gets stuck if you have to type in "what is parainfluenza?"

You are right about one thing: anyone can pretend to be anything online.

However, people who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about can easily tell fake science. And people who are GULLIBLE will be the only ones falling it.

*beware of DHMO*

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  • 1 vote
#5.20 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:09 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

you have to forgive me if i forgot to link to any other overly BASIC knoweldge you could have just wiki'ed

No, you made the assertations.You are the one required to back up your statements.Not I.

I'm not the one supposed to prove what you wrote is true...you are. I didn't write it.

But it indicates what your indocrination in Medical School entails...an aura of arrogance.You are institutionalized. Seems the science you claim you follow blindly.

I know what parainfluenza is.

Seems that you are already practicing medicine...even though you are only a 3rd year medical student. As I wrote earlier,LIABILTY?

You think that you are anonymous and unidentifiable due to your Moniker?

Maybe the ethics and morals department would like to know how you 're promoting and practicing and teaching "medicine" on the internet under the color of authority?Your IP,name...etc are all retrievable perpetually.This history is here forever.

I would suggest you cease and desist.For it might cost you more than a "blush".

Now "YOU" prove this statement...

However, no one has ever tried to mix parainfluenza with influenza, as in this article.

Obviously you don't work at Baxter,Roche or DYNACORP/NIH.If this is how you practice your "communications" I'd hate to be one of your future patients.Your naivety and arrogance is going to harm someone.If it hasn't already.That is the liability I write of...but what do you care as long as your ego is fed?

BTW...I did work Surgical Pre-op/Post -op in one of the finest military hospitals...WBAMC,El Paso ,Tx..(Opthamology,Urology,Neurology...etc).

Like I wrote above earlier...I would rather give credence to a MD Professor who is in Forensics with years of REAL experience(backed by other professionals)...who indicates "only" that the disease is not Pnuemonic Plague.... rather than an arrogant ,indoctrinated,institutionalized 3rd year medical student...hence the reason I used the word "DOKTOR".

And little girl...refer to comments 6.3/ 6.4 to get a better grasp of how your "schooling" is compromised by the ones that fund your "education" for an agenda...your Big Pharma that will enslave you through false doctrines and dictates of men and mammon.That's why you are in financial poverty due to the COST of your "education" .And you will never escape it and that is how they make you complicit and submissive...uner duress...but isn't that one of the main courses they teach that impresses it on you?Medical Business and management?You probably haven't taken these courses or won't.

Business and managerial education in the medical school curriculum.

How much do you owe so far? It's actually alot more than that...for you are ignorantly selling your conscious and ability to discern wisely.

I'm sure you have familiarized yourself in your rounds with the Pharma Reps?

Change course now if you really want to be a HEALER rather than a DOKTOR enslaved by mammon,false doctrines and dictates.

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  • 4 votes
#5.21 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:02 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

And one more thing ,Ohiogal...I noticed that you did not include any references to the Medical College of Ohio(LLC=Limited Liabilty Company) or the University of Toledo's College of Medicine in the links that you provided. Is there a reason why? Anonymity?

http://www.utoledo.edu/med/

Kate J Wilks BS From the Department of Pathology, Medical University of Ohio, 3000 Arlington Avenue, Toledo, Ohio...which is 5 miles from Rossford.

If I could find this out with a simple google search...how hard would it be for an agency or party that has received notice of damage to find out more? You see ,you are not anonymous and can be held accountable and responsible for that which you write and promote.

Again,I would suggest that you act responsibly and professionally,ethically and morally in relation to the posts and comments that you provide.

And to SchmittyJ...on the topic of "inconsequential" . The University of Maryland frowns on their students promoting ,through personal bias and prejudice,under pseudonym's an agenda of disinformation under the color of authority.Their authority..as your educator...unless what you write is what they taught you in their classes.So what is it? Your view? Or theirs? Ethics.

To educate selected students about academic integrity; and generally, to increase the overall level of Academic Integrity and Honesty.

Office of Student Conduct

http://www.jpo.umd.edu/

Just funny how the topic of this month is ETHICS..

Topic of the Month

Building a Community of Character at the University of Maryland
The University of Maryland is a family, a community. Whether student, faculty, or staff member, we are tied to one another as fellow Terps. As such, we are expected to act in the best interest of the community and uphold the values of the University. In the University of Maryland Strategic Plan, the University's values are outlined as follows:

continue reading…

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  • 5 votes
#5.22 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:19 PM EST
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SchmittyJ

TL3,

This is the most sad, pathetic attempt at ad hominem arguing I've ever seen on Newsvine...

an agenda of disinformation under the color of authority.

I would welcome any official of UMD to see my comments posted anywhere on Newsvine... and I actually have shown my teachers arguments I've made here in the past. I'm quite sure the vast majority of the teachers, staff and faculty would laud my efforts to argue against the "disinformation" extolled through the myriad anti-vaccine, conspiracy theory websites out there.

I read and sign a student ethics statement at the beginning of every test, and am well aware of the school's standards. If you're unsure of the school's standards, ask Tyler, he's familiar with UMD. So, since you're not familiar with the school, I'll stake my experience with the Office of Student Conduct against what you've read online every time.

Additionally, none of the statements made by Ohiogal are "practicing" medicine. They are her opinion regarding issues of medical relevance. And your posting of information relevant to her education/locale, etc. are tantamount to a threat, and are being reported as such. Not to mention your diminutive use of the term "little girl"...

Sad really...

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  • 1 vote
#5.23 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:15 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

Well,lets's put it this way little boy...all this information is made public on a public forum by the authors own comments...including you.All this information is available by a simple google search.What crime did I commit? You want privacy ...don't reveal yourself through your own ignorance...

You don't like being revealed don't comment on the PUBLIC internet..seems I've heard this "Threat" from your ilk before. Repeat this is a public Internet forum! I have a strong suspicion that you are part of a group.

You are the one now threatening me . Me and Tyler have had this issue discussed.Of course he didn't respond oneway or the other...seems you are worried.

And your posting of information relevant to her education/locale, etc. are tantamount to a threat, and are being reported as such.

You are the one that revealed(if that is her locale) it by your comment...now how is it that I am the one that revealed it.What did I reveal? And why is this illegal?

Have I posted her real name and address? Her IP? Her SS#.

You little boy are scared ...and that is how little scared boys fight back...with threats...I'm going to report you to Tyler nanny,nanny boo boo...

Who is the ignorant one that put all this info about the Army and UM on their BIO?

Me? No, You.

She knows the liability in asserting these claims...as a medical student...how did I know that she was in OHIO...duh...her moniker OHIOGAL...she said she was in medical school...google OHIO Medical Schools and see what you get.

See this...

Kate J Wilks BS From the Department of Pathology, Medical University of Ohio, 3000 Arlington Avenue, Toledo, Ohio...which is 5 miles from Rossford.

That was off the F@$#&ing website. So are you claiming this is where she is at? And how do you know this? Seems that you have made a mistake...keep coming to my seeds and articles and I will legally reveal your tactics.

So now that you are stating that I am acting criminal...on a very public internet in writing...what do you call that? And is there recourse? It's called Libel.

Funny how this issue of violating someones Unwarranted PRIVACY is coming 2 weeks after this issue was thrown at me from your Tyler ...from someone claiming to have been in the ARMY PR.

If you are part of a group conspiring to deny me the 1st amendment of Freedom of Speech...that can and will be proven and is remedied under the Omnibus Crime Law/RICO. Now this isn't a threat...it's my right to defend myself from attacks.What you are doing is a Federal CRIME.

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  • 3 votes
#5.24 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:46 PM EST
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SchmittyJ

TL3,

It was the statement:

how hard would it be for an agency or party ... to find out more?

That implies the possibility of threat.

Aside from that... this is a public forum, yes. But it isn't publicly owned, and it is moderated. I'm not "worried" in the least... I've made my point clear to Tyler, and I'll just wait and see what, if anything, he has to say.

Additionally, now I'm confused though... you claimed that I was "anonymous," but then make assertions based on what you believe based on what information I provided in my bio? I put that information there because I wanted to provide a context for people I discuss topics with to understand where I am coming from.

Regardless, the laughable part of this, is this continued debate. The simple fact of the matter is that roughly 50% of homeless individuals (homelessokc?) suffer from mental illness. Couple that with paranoid claims that I am part of some "group conspiring to deny" you anything, and with the disjointed information about your claim to being a Black Pearl Dragon, and mixed philosophies of Eastern thought and Christian dogma... I'd say that the statistical probability that continued debate is pointless, for obvious reasons...

So, good luck on the 'Vine...

P.S. ~ "this issue was thrown at me from your Tyler"... um, he's not my Tyler, he's all of Newsvine's... but I don't think he'd really appreciate the implications of you stating that he's mine.

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  • 1 vote
#5.25 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:28 PM EST
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Teodoro Leon 3

how hard would it be for an agency or party ... to find out more?

This is not a threat...but if that is how you take it must be obvious that you are worried.

This was a heads up as to what you post and claim can and is seen by many other people besides me and your devoted readers.

They are looking to find things on any person...for future references.USAISC, USAF 754th Electronics Systems Group,DHS...for they will attempt to have a dossier on every,EVERY American...for when the time comes they will have a charge against them for indictment.

I am warning you that the threat is not from me...and that the threat is real. That's why this administration has gone as far as to label prior military as possible domestic threats.I didn't make up this policy...and it's there for a reason.It's not benign.

Now cover your ass by just doing the right thing.

Another thing...the tools that I use are all legal and even provided by this site...see under your column "TRACKER'. It's there as a tool.It's legal. Were you not aware of it?

Now this is a personal attack... and an ignorant one at that.I'm an activist for all the HOMELESS...including you.For this world is not our home...but maybe that is too deep for you.It shows your immaturity...hence the reason for the entitlement of "little boy".

Do you take it derogatory?

Regardless, the laughable part of this, is this continued debate. The simple fact of the matter is that roughly 50% of homeless individuals (homelessokc?) suffer from mental illness. Couple that with paranoid claims that I am part of some "group conspiring to deny" you anything, and with the disjointed information about your claim to being a Black Pearl Dragon, and mixed philosophies of Eastern thought and Christian dogma... I'd say that the statistical probability that continued debate is pointless, for obvious reasons...

Are you stating that I'm mentally unstable due to a URL? Are you implying that? Are you stating that I am paranoid...then you believe what you want...your OPINION matters little to me.

What Christian GOD? He does not limit Himself with doctrines and dictates of unrealized men.Entitlements.HE IS GOD of ALL His CREATION...including the East and the West.

His name indicates it. Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.( I shall become who I Am becoming)

http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo3.pdf

whereas words such as Elohim (God), El (mighty one), El Shaddai (almighty God), Adonai (master), El Elyon (most high God), Avinu (our Father), etc. are not names, but titles, highlighting different aspects of Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.

I bet that you didn't know that God is in our likeness and that Moses took up with him to the mountain over 70 elders that beheld Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh inperson...and ate and drank with him?

Exodus 24:9

Moses then went up with Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel,
10
and they beheld the God of Israel. Under his feet there appeared to be sapphire tilework, as clear as the sky itself.
11
2 Yet he did not smite these chosen Israelites. After gazing on God, they could still eat and drink.

So ,maybe you learned a few things here? Is that why you are here? To learn? For you will.Just do the right thing and hold yourself in the highest regard...for that is how Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh made you...donot defile that which Elohim has made and declared GOOD through the manipulations of the Advesary.False Ego.

And who is this being that they beheld in AWE? Yeshua ha Mashiach.The one you know in English as Jesus the Messiah.

For Philip asked Him to show them the Father.

Philip said to him, "Master, show us the Father, 7 and that will be enough for us."
9
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing his works.

So ridicule and belittle me as much as you like and I will prove that IAM the Black Pearl Dragon. I AM Teodoro Leon III...which translates exactly as "God's gift like a LION".As in the Lion of Judah.

I AM Desposyni.That is an heir to the Lord.Through the Holy Spirit and Flesh.

In the ancient church, the Lord's kinsmen were the descendants of David chosen to lead the Church after His Ascension. They were called the "Desposyni". They were chosen for two reasons.

First, the Dominion Covenant was given to King David and his descendants (2 Samuel 7). It had been passed through Judah to David, then from David to Jesus. Jesus was the titular head of the House of David. It was His mission as the Messiah, aside from being the Savior of the world, to restore the House of David to its ruling mission in the world.

Second, the Desposyni were chosen because they were the faithful. They followed Jesus and continue to follow Him. They are the fruitful vine (John 15).

That was why James, the brother of Jesus, was the first leader of the Church. And that was why in Acts 15 he quoted the prophet Amos to explain why the church doors had to be opened to the Gentiles. He said,

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

Currently, Christianity is led by many rival leaders. There is much pride and rebellion in the many sects of the Church. There is great division. Unity will come when the people turn their hearts to the Desposyni.

Where are the Desposyni today? There may be as many as one to two million of them in the world. Virtually none of them know who they are.

I know who IAM. Teodoro Leon III

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:1i9fw3yDJPcJ:www.grailchurch.org/millennium.htm+desposyni+today&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john14.htm

http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo24.pdf

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  • 4 votes
#5.26 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:09 AM EST
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SchmittyJ

Thanks for making my point for me... much obliged... lol

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    #5.27 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:43 AM EST
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    Teodoro Leon 3

    Petty and impotent.Now know cause and effect.

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    • 3 votes
    #5.28 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:45 AM EST
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    worldknightboy

    Worst case scenario, sort of, who would want to engineer this so-called bio-weapon? Who would risk being exposed trying to wipe out millions of people?

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:01 AM EST
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    gladbutterfly

    Personally, I doubt anyone would. I think it escaped from their labs. That would explain the extraordinary manner in which health officials and governments have behaved about H1N1, even tho it has not been even as serious a problem as the regular, yearly flu that we all put up with without all this hullaballoo. They are desperate because they don't know what it will do in the wild. That's my suspicion anyway, and Teodoro's seed makes it seem all the more likely to me.

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    • 5 votes
    #7.1 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:57 PM EST
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    gladbutterfly

    The latest I've read is that the Ukraine flu is a variety of H1N1, so it's changing already.

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    • 2 votes
    #7.2 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:32 PM EST
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